And what will you do when you retire?

Mudar: I’d like to mediate between differing positions as an art diplomat. Or I’ll paint even more than I do today. Maybe the latter is easier.
Erkan: I’ll keep working. Don’t interpret that as the words of a workaholic. I don’t want to shut down the machine as long as my body allows me to stay active. But alright, I say that now, who knows where I’ll stand on the matter in 15 years. We can talk about it again over an ice cream.


What do you both do to make the world a better place?

Mudar: I try to act as an intermediary between differing positions in everyday situations. I think it would already be a huge help to the world if everyone tried to stay centred and not to resort to extreme measures. I try to do that at least and I hope that I can be a sort of bridge between people.
Erkan: But that’s really hard, I think. What do I do? I try to coach and advise as many young people as I can who are in the same situation that I was back then: they come from another culture and want to or have to achieve something in Germany. I want them to overcome the obstacles with much less effort than it took me to overcome – so that my success stories get repeated as often as possible. As far as I am concerned, that’s successful integration.